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After a discussion with Larry Kaufman on the Rybka forum over material values,
http://www.rybkaforum.net/cgi-bin/rybka ... l?tid=1264
I decided to come up with a CM9000 setting and a CM10th setting based on his values.

I based the material values on pawn=1.1 for CM9000 and pawn=1.2 for CM10th and went from there.
The reason for not using pawn=1.0 as a base is my observation that CM will give up a pawn too easily based on positional considerations that usually fail to bear fruit.
Larry appeared to agree that this was sound reasoning.

Valuing the pawn more highly of course means that the right balance of positional settings must also be found so that the overall package works in unison (material and positional settings together).

Because CM GUI settings only allow values to one decimal place, I needed to take that into account because I've always made it a rule with my settings that they must be based on true CM GUI values.

Also, because my impression is that CM doesn't value the bishop pair highly enough in any hidden settings, I made a slight alteration to compensate.
I gave the bishop a slightly higher value than the knight, then increased the mobility importance and decreased the pawn weakness values to try and make up for Larry's half pawn advantage for the bishop pair.
Because the bishop pair comes into its own in open positions, too much consideration for pawn chains through pawn weaknesses being given too high a priority would lead to blocked positions that would obviously favour the knights.

So here are the two settings I came up with, based on the highly successful CM9000 Enforcer and CM10th Paralyse settings with the necessary modifications:

CM10th Guardian (Graham Banks)
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opp=120 opn=128 opb=132 opr=120 opq=130 myp=120 myn=128 myb=132 myr=120 myq=130 cc=120 mob=125 ks=150 pp=120 pw=110 cfd=0 sop=100 avd=0 rnd=0 sel=14 md=99

Material values under CM10th GUI would be:
P=1.2 N=3.8 B=3.9 R=6.0 Q=11.7

CM9000 Tribute (Graham Banks)
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opp=110 opn=117 opb=121 opr=110 opq=119 myp=110 myn=117 myb=121 myr=110 myq=119 mycc=110 mymob=115 myks=160 mypp=115 mypw=110 opcc=110 opmob=115 opks=160 oppp=115 oppw=110 avd=0 cfd=0 sop=100 rnd=0 sel=12 md=99

Material values under CM9000 GUI would be:
P=1.1 N=3.5 B=3.6 R=5.5 Q=10.7

I was hoping that some CM devotees could test these settings out and let me know their thoughts. :wink:
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Hi,

I am very interested in this topic. I am just wondering how

opp=120 opn=128 opb=132 opr=120 opq=130

translates to

P=1.1 N=3.5 B=3.6 R=5.5 Q=10.7

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Vince wrote:Hi,

I am very interested in this topic. I am just wondering how

opp=120 opn=128 opb=132 opr=120 opq=130

translates to

P=1.1 N=3.5 B=3.6 R=5.5 Q=10.7

Regards,
Vincent.
They don't.
You've mixed up the CM10th Guardian values with the CM9000 Tribute ones.

Regards, Graham.
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Thanks for your reply. Could you also post the CM values for "Enforcer", "Xperience", and "Paralyse".

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Vince wrote:Thanks for your reply. Could you also post the CM values for "Enforcer", "Xperience", and "Paralyse".

Regards,
Vince.
Here's CM10th Xperience. I'll post CM10th Paralyse and CM9000 Enforcer later.

Regards, Graham.
CM10th Xperience (Wilhelm Hudetz)

Own
CC=111
Mob=111
KS=151
PP=107
PW=109

Opponent
CC=111
Mob=111
KS=151
PP=107
PW=109

Material (both own and opponent)
P=1.1
N=3.4
B=3.4
R=5.8
Q=10.4

Selectivity=14
A/D=0
M/P=0
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CM10th Paralyse (Graham Banks)

Own
CC=120
Mob=120
KS=150
PP=120
PW=120

Opponent
CC=120
Mob=120
KS=150
PP=120
PW=120

Material (both own and opponent)
P=1.2
N=3.7
B=3.7
R=6.3
Q=11.5

Selectivity=14
A/D=0
M/P=0
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Thanks Graham. I am just curious what opp, opn, etc. exactly mean. Is it documented anywhere? For Guardian, opb=132 and opq=130, but B=3.9 and Q=11.7. This blows my mind. :)
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CM9000 Enforcer (Graham Banks)

Own
CC=110
Mob=110
KS=160
PP=115
PW=115

Opponent
CC=110
Mob=110
KS=160
PP=115
PW=115

Material (both own and opponent)
P=1.1
N=3.4
B=3.4
R=5.8
Q=10.6

Selectivity=12
A/D=0
M/P=0
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Vince wrote:Thanks Graham. I am just curious what opp, opn, etc. exactly mean. Is it documented anywhere? For Guardian, opb=132 and opq=130, but B=3.9 and Q=11.7. This blows my mind. :)
opb=opponent's bishop
myb=my bishop (that of the particular setting)

To change opb=132 back into CM GUI value. just divide by 100, then multiply by the default bishop value of 3 and you'll get 3.9 (always round down).

To change CM GUI material values into wb2uci values, do as follows:
Let's say you want rook as 5.7, go 5.7 divided by default value 5, then multiply by 100 to get 114 (again always round down where necessary).

These rules only apply as long as you leave the parameter MP (material/positional) as the default 0.

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Thanks Graham. Now I can do my own conversion. Btw, what is the rationale of always rounding down?

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Vince wrote:Thanks Graham. Now I can do my own conversion. Btw, what is the rationale of always rounding down?

Regards,
Vince.
Just seems to be the norm and is best to err on the conservative side I guess.

Regards, Graham.
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